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Post by gaslan on Feb 3, 2018 21:24:10 GMT 7
yes, we should not only rely on normal meters. We observe the real effect too.
For solar application please measure how much current goes to stingo. Maybe you can use a simple relay in series with resistor so when the voltage goes beyond certain number, the relay will turn on and disconnect stingo. === From solar panel I read output of 2,9 Amps max -----------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, stingo can be use for water splitting. It seems to be efficient too. Use only single diode for the output. The one that ruin the battery is the one that split water better. === In page 4 you published two schemes of water splitter but the second has no names of the components, is that to use, what is the symbol on the left connected to negative of the component I don’t know ? the two connection on the right and left are input sources hta could be solar panel or atx or any other source available ?--- Thank you --------------------------------------------------------------------
But do not use salt. Salt is NaCl. If you use it, the you end up with NaOH and Cl2. Cl2 is Chlorine, a toxic gas, nerve gas. So it is better to just use NaOH or KOH. If you use PVC container, use NaOH. If you use Acrylic container, use KOH (I hope I am not wrong with this). But actually you do not need salt or other catalyst because stingo can automatically adjust its voltage. I usually experiment without catalyst.
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It is interesting that you can make your own ATX. How do you know it is better that off the shelf ATX? === I wish I made it , I bought it, please search with this name m3 atx. Anyway I agree with you to try with simple and cheap solutions too, what count is an affordable and performing one. -----------------------------------------------------
Yes, cemenite need spiral in it. The spiral need to cover the whole cemenite otherwise the cemenite will polarize and loose its effect. You can make it work again if you shave off the part that do not contain spiral.
Cemenite work better for a vehicle with lean fuel mixture. So, check your car fuel mixture. If it is rich, then adding cemenite will make the engine felt heavy.
You must find the correct cemenite size. If you felt the engine become heavy, saw / split the cemenite in half (better if it is still in tubular shape) and try again.
Do not put cemenite too close to the engine or radiator pipe. I think the engine block need the opposite of cemenite energy.
Remove the magnet or ferrite if you use any. They interfere cemenite effect.
=== I didn’t find a lower performance of cemenite with oil near magnets, but will take off magnet and see, there are so many variable in nature to be observed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 5, 2018 15:20:36 GMT 7
From solar panel I read output of 2,9 Amps max If that is the power consumed by stingo, then it is too big. What about voltage? In page 4 you published two schemes of water splitter but the second has no names of the components, is that to use, what is the symbol on the left connected to negative of the component I don’t know ? the two connection on the right and left are input sources hta could be solar panel or atx or any other source available ? The diagram in page 4 show an improvement concept. It is simply radiant charger triggering another transistor. For water splitting, use this instead. I wish I made it , I bought it, please search with this name m3 atx. Anyway I agree with you to try with simple and cheap solutions too, what count is an affordable and performing one. Ok. The power supply for computer is cheap enough here. I didn’t find a lower performance of cemenite with oil near magnets, but will take off magnet and see, there are so many variable in nature to be observed. Magnet in fuel line will prevent cemenite energy from working properly. Ferrite in spark plug wire also preveent cemenite from working properly. Cemenite effect is still there but in less amount. Attachments:
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Post by gaslan on Feb 5, 2018 21:17:15 GMT 7
If that is the power consumed by stingo, then it is too big. What about voltage? === That current is the max amperage that the panell can produce and the the voltage open circuit is V 21,63 When the panel is connected to a load the max amp delivered is 2,66 and the max voltage is 17,76
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For water splitting, use this instead. === Ok thank you.
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 6, 2018 15:08:09 GMT 7
That current is the max amperage that the panell can produce and the the voltage open circuit is V 21,63 When the panel is connected to a load the max amp delivered is 2,66 and the max voltage is 17,76 Ok. Thank you
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Post by gaslan on Feb 12, 2018 17:29:58 GMT 7
Water splitter work at very low performance level compared to stingo used for charging battery. Cemenite without oil added with sodium silicate solution , I'm clearly listening running faster the engine when on, I mean when I have no gears engaged and a bit more performing on the road, too early talking about km/lt now.
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 22, 2018 13:10:32 GMT 7
Water splitter work at very low performance level compared to stingo used for charging battery. Cemenite without oil added with sodium silicate solution , I'm clearly listening running faster the engine when on, I mean when I have no gears engaged and a bit more performing on the road, too early talking about km/lt now. Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for sharing. That is interesting. Because if we measure it, stingo with one output diode should be more efficient than stingo with 4 diode + 1 capacitor. It is interesting that the cemenite like that already able to increase idle rpm. That is a good sign.
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Post by gaslan on Apr 1, 2018 16:25:48 GMT 7
Checking the 500 k pot on stingo, I found it didn't work ( but I could charge batteries anyway ) so I soldered the wire on the other pin of the pot that was ok. Probably tuning stingo it went over its power limit, I'm using 3 pots to set the best the resistence possible and found that at 1 amp is the max level that make stingo run with the highest power out with this version of stingo ( wheatstone bridge ) over 1 amp transistor bd241 heats up to much.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 19, 2018 16:02:21 GMT 7
Checking the 500 k pot on stingo, I found it didn't work ( but I could charge batteries anyway ) so I soldered the wire on the other pin of the pot that was ok. Probably tuning stingo it went over its power limit, I'm using 3 pots to set the best the resistence possible and found that at 1 amp is the max level that make stingo run with the highest power out with this version of stingo ( wheatstone bridge ) over 1 amp transistor bd241 heats up to much. Thanks for the information. If you always use it for the same battery, you could consider using resistor instead of potentiometer.
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Post by gaslan on Sept 19, 2018 19:46:25 GMT 7
Hello Sucahyo, I made stingo on a plate after several time of testing on a breadboard, I checked the pots resistence and used resistors. The charger is good maybe a bit less performing but it's ok.
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Post by Sucahyo on Oct 30, 2018 14:59:39 GMT 7
Hello Sucahyo, I made stingo on a plate after several time of testing on a breadboard, I checked the pots resistence and used resistors. The charger is good maybe a bit less performing but it's ok. Hello, sorry for the late reply. Ok. I still try to build stingo driven transistor, but still failed to make it run at high frequency.
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Post by gaslan on Nov 7, 2018 0:25:33 GMT 7
The stingo version I made you can find in the past past pages here, I wrote the transistors used, but if you need to know the other components please let me know. Which is your the frequency target ? The first tests I measured about 27 - 30 Khz, in this final stingo I have to measure but have to search in the past pages where I have to mesure on the plate of components because on the the terminal positive and negative near the battery frequency is not stable. I charged a car battery 44 A 450 Amph but only up to 13.5 volts seems not to be able to push further, for smaller batteries is ok. Probably I should built a double stingo based on the project you posted in the past pages here.
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Post by Sucahyo on Nov 13, 2018 15:36:31 GMT 7
The stingo version I made you can find in the past past pages here, I wrote the transistors used, but if you need to know the other components please let me know. Which is your the frequency target ? The first tests I measured about 27 - 30 Khz, in this final stingo I have to measure but have to search in the past pages where I have to mesure on the plate of components because on the the terminal positive and negative near the battery frequency is not stable. I charged a car battery 44 A 450 Amph but only up to 13.5 volts seems not to be able to push further, for smaller batteries is ok. Probably I should built a double stingo based on the project you posted in the past pages here. Ok. I want to achieve frequecy higher than 500 Khz. This is because I read that Johann (who bought Bob Boyce hex controller and make TPU work) use very high frequency too. Yes, unfortunately the frequency reading can become unstable if we read it from output. Yes, single stingo may not be strong enough to charge big battery. I use two for 55 Ah.
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Post by smile on Jan 10, 2020 6:19:44 GMT 7
Hello, whats the latest stingo bettery charger circuit design?
I've built 2 tier ciruit, will try to test it soon. I've read it oscilates until 12.7v input, so what about lead acid ca/ca battery that needs 16V to charge at final stage? Am I missing something?
Finally is stingo a good charger/desulphator curcuit? What better alternatives? I'm not interested in self desulphators as these simply do not work.
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Post by Admin on Jan 13, 2020 11:17:55 GMT 7
Hello, whats the latest stingo bettery charger circuit design? I've built 2 tier ciruit, will try to test it soon. I've read it oscilates until 12.7v input, so what about lead acid ca/ca battery that needs 16V to charge at final stage? Am I missing something? Finally is stingo a good charger/desulphator curcuit? What better alternatives? I'm not interested in self desulphators as these simply do not work. Hello. There is no change currently. Because the latest version still in development / not ready to be shared because of power output control problem. This stingo can use input voltage from 3V to 24V as long as you are carefull with current consumption. Always start from the lowest power output and keep monitor the input current. Do not exceed 2 Amp for each coil. 1 Amp for each coil is safer. Yes, stingo as a very good charger. It is faster than commercial charger. But this should not be used to charge lithium because stingo charger produce more gassing.
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Post by smile on Jan 17, 2020 6:08:12 GMT 7
The 2 amps needs to be checked on coil wire itself? What about output amps not the same?
"Because the latest version still in development" good to hear it is being developed ! I wish you success.
How many AH does the 2 coil version can handle? I read it's limited to 45AH??? Why so low? What if I have car battery 75Ah?
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Post by smile on Jan 22, 2020 6:50:32 GMT 7
Would be nice if you could answer my quetion in message above. Also what are currently best transistorsm I have TIP41C/TIP42C are they best?
What about protection for transitors to not be damaged with accident no connected to load? Nothing yet?
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Post by smile on Jan 23, 2020 3:34:27 GMT 7
I have tried charging 75Ah car battery. My power adapter is 20W 2A 20V laptop PSU. Then I use XL4015 5A DC-DC converter. The converter is set to fully open on current, on voltage set to 9.86V because higher only adds more heat to stingo coils but my problem is no matter how I adjust XL4015 I can't get more then say 500-600mA ?? Input is 9.86V 1.8A / output 500-600mA when connected to 75Ah car battery. What's the problem? I want 16V because it's ca/ca battery that needs to be charged with 16V for finishing charge. Transistors are TIP41C/TIP42C Coil www.elfa.se/sv/toroidal-choke-mh-mh-noratel-ti-53106-2500uh-1a/p/15870076Everything is in computer ATX PSY case with fan. Transistors are mostly cool, the coils are hot. So the problem is the coils? What to replace it with?
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Post by smile on Jan 28, 2020 7:11:05 GMT 7
Why no reply, the suggeted on the first post transistorts TIP3055 and TIP2955 ar bad choice because they are 60V compared to TIP41C/TIP42C that are 100V/140V. When sulfated battery is connected voltage rises to ~60V at beginning. The TIP41C/TIP42C are bad also, they overheat when delivering 500/600mA output ! This is crazy. What to use? Regarding coil "The coil need to have dc resistance between 0.5 ohm to 2 ohm." Your recommendation is very stange, go to choke inductor selector eu.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Inductors-Chokes-Coils/_/N-5gb4Try to find 0.5 ohm to 2 ohm and 3Amp or 6Amp inductors. You will not find any usable withhigh mH count like at least uH1000 or 1mH. uH and Ohms are totally different things. What frequesncy does this circuit needs to work for optimal desulfation?
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Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2020 16:30:00 GMT 7
Sorry for the late reply. I am unaware of your reply. The notification not working properly. The 2 amps needs to be checked on coil wire itself? What about output amps not the same? "Because the latest version still in development" good to hear it is being developed ! I wish you success. How many AH does the 2 coil version can handle? I read it's limited to 45AH??? Why so low? What if I have car battery 75Ah? 2 amp is the input current. Output current usually around 1 amp. the latest version is something like this. But I stuck at creating a working pulse generator: the 2 coil version can charge any battery capacity. But may take too long for other battery. I once use 2 coil version to charge 75 Ah car battery too. Would be nice if you could answer my quetion in message above. Also what are currently best transistorsm I have TIP41C/TIP42C are they best? What about protection for transitors to not be damaged with accident no connected to load? Nothing yet? The best transister depend on how much current we can use. Higher current = less efficient. TIP31C/TIP32C is better if it can run 24/7. I use TIP3055 and TIP2955 in case I need a more reliable transistor for playing with spark. There is no possible protection other than to make sure not to open the load during running. neon can not protect and actually reduce efficiency. I have tried charging 75Ah car battery. My power adapter is 20W 2A 20V laptop PSU. Then I use XL4015 5A DC-DC converter. The converter is set to fully open on current, on voltage set to 9.86V because higher only adds more heat to stingo coils but my problem is no matter how I adjust XL4015 I can't get more then say 500-600mA ?? Input is 9.86V 1.8A / output 500-600mA when connected to 75Ah car battery. What's the problem? I want 16V because it's ca/ca battery that needs to be charged with 16V for finishing charge. Transistors are TIP41C/TIP42C Coil www.elfa.se/sv/toroidal-choke-mh-mh-noratel-ti-53106-2500uh-1a/p/15870076Everything is in computer ATX PSY case with fan. Transistors are mostly cool, the coils are hot. So the problem is the coils? What to replace it with? I think your power supply is not strong enough. Try computer PSU. The power supply need to be capable of supplying current of = source voltage / coil resistance. if the coil is 1 ohm then you need power supply that is capable of producing 12 Amp. Did you measure the input current? Was it really 1.8 Amp? If it is, maybe the coil resistance is too low. Use smaller wire and the one with pvc insulation if it is available. What is the output voltage? Why no reply, the suggeted on the first post transistorts TIP3055 and TIP2955 ar bad choice because they are 60V compared to TIP41C/TIP42C that are 100V/140V. When sulfated battery is connected voltage rises to ~60V at beginning. The TIP41C/TIP42C are bad also, they overheat when delivering 500/600mA output ! This is crazy. What to use? Regarding coil "The coil need to have dc resistance between 0.5 ohm to 2 ohm." Your recommendation is very stange, go to choke inductor selector eu.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Inductors-Chokes-Coils/_/N-5gb4Try to find 0.5 ohm to 2 ohm and 3Amp or 6Amp inductors. You will not find any usable withhigh mH count like at least uH1000 or 1mH. uH and Ohms are totally different things. What frequesncy does this circuit needs to work for optimal desulfation? I am not sure why your transistor overheat. Did you make sure that the transistor connection is correct / according to photo at the first page? Try using 1 coil first. I never consider transistor rating like 60V or 100V. Because I once use 250V, like JL29001 something and it still easily die as TIP3055 one. the reason for ohm is to match battery internal resistance. I don't have impendance meter. So I use ohm. The coil ohm also make it easier to calculate input and output. I never try desulfation. But I think the best spike is during max power. Try to get h wave output if you have scope.
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Post by smile on Feb 17, 2023 5:28:27 GMT 7
I could not make this work reliably, the transistors overheat at 600mA power while pulling manny more from the wall adapter. Now my transistors are not the same brand, and only one of them heats up, interesting is that now I can run without blowing the transistors if not connected to battery.
The output voltage with this desing is not controllable, bad. But the worst it that transistors overheat.
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