Baterai bisa rusak karena listrik radiant

[Sucahyo]

Mohon maaf, versi inggris dulu. Intinya batre bisa rusak kalau dicharge dengan murni listrik radiant. Kerusakan terjadi karena listrik radiant merubah sifat kimia dari batre sehingga membuat batre tidak bisa lagi diisi dengan listrik normal. Kalau dipaksakan, maka batre akan rusak. Beberapa testimoni menyatakan hal tersebut. Termasuk di video, Peter Lindemann mengakui bahwa charger produksi mereka, hasil karya Bedini dengan merek r-charge / tesla charger, sekarang ini menggunakan metoda capacitive discharge karena versi radiant ditemukan membuat batre bermasalah.

Solusi untuk mengatasi hal ini. bisa dilihat pada gambar di bawah.



If you want to exclusively use radiant charger, be aware that it may make the battery to refuse normal charging. Also some other problem, like cold boiling. Cold boil is usually called gassing in other field. Gassing is BAD for the battery.



Fast charging is discourage not only because of heating but also gassing. Gassing occur more if the charging voltage / current is higher. Radiant produce gassing faster than normal charger. But this is maybe just indication that radiant charge the battery faster too.


The problem also experienced by Charger product sold by Bedini at verson sold in 2007-2008. minutes 20







Here is a post from elias who experience the single diode charging problem:

www.energeticforum.com/john-bedini/5112-problem-batteries-charged-bedini-technology.html

I have been building SSGs and charging batteries for about two years, and the problem I am facing now is the fact that it seems that although the batteries deliver energy more than usual, the voltage level of the batteries charged with Bedini charger decreases under load significantly making devices such as mp3 players, not being able to function.



Don't get me wrong, the sitting voltage is fine, but when It is put under load the voltage level goes down so much that the mp3 player says low battery, but I know that it can deliver good amount of energy, but the mp3 player thinks the voltage level is what says the amount of energy in the battery is.



The batteries are 1.2v AAA cells for my wife's mp3player, they worked well before charging with the Bedini Charger. I have also got this problem with my philishave.The battery delivers more current than before I can verify it, but the voltage goes down, when driving loads, and the device "thinks" that the battery is out. I have seen this effect in Bedini's videos also, his batteries have good amount of energy in them, but the voltage drop is more when driving loads, I wonder.

My comment on that post is before I use partial FWBR. After I use partial FWBR, my son's nicad battery should last for years even if he use it often, if not because of my mistake of overcharging the battery to literally boil it. I still have some working nicad from few years ago.



Other

mrbrown solution is to use cap to prevent battery's sickness:

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7481-ssg-charged-batteries-cannot-used-drive-ssg-machines.html

I swap the batteries round all the time with no problem at all on the SSG circuit. You can also do it with the SG cap pulsed circuit and I have been doing this for 4 years, but if you use the SG circuit without the caps and charge the battery directly, the battery changes to use negative energy.



This battery will no longer charge normally and appears shorted when you try.



I was now using a 24v dc supply transformer to power the fan.



When measured by powering a 12v 21w bulb, the 4ah battery lasted 2 hours after recovery. After the charge from the fan it lasted 3 hours. Wow. I recharged it again and placed it back on the motorcycle, it died the same day.



I placed it on a conventional charger and the battery drew 2A, got hot and boiled but would not charge. I placed it on my SSG wired fan and again it would not charge. I then put it on my 7 filar fan and it charged.



The next day I put it back on the motorcycle and it died again but I noticed the battery was hot and had lost a lot of electrolyte. I topped the battery up and recharged it on the 7 filar fan overnight. When I got up the fan was hot and had stopped, the battery was not charged, hot and full of white crystals. The fan was deformed because of the heat but not shorted and the Bedini circuit and bridge rectifier were fine.



I gave up on the 7 fillar fan.



After learning a lot more over the years reading everything I could on Bedini I learned that my output on this 7 filar fan was negative energy and also all the advantages and disadvantages of this form of energy. Bedini’s explanation of what it could do fitted my experience.

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11281-positive-versus-negative-radiant-energy.html

With both types the output is measured as less than the input, but when connected to a charging battery the positive radiant usually gives a near 1 to 1 charge rate The negative seams to do something similar but when the battery is discharged on resistive loads the battery seems to have greatly increased capacity. The battery continues to charge after it is disconnected from the charger for some time. The battery has greater self recovery. There are big problems with the negative energy, It tends to crystallize the battery rendering it useless. The battery will no longer charge on a normal charger and appears shorted even before it crystallizes. It is difficult to reverse this negative charging effect.

tonysam1

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4443-transient-spike-battery-charger-600-volts.html

The most amazing find was to my Li-ion 1400 mAh 3.7v cell phone battery. My phone was desperate for a charge so I though, hey why not. I took the battery out of the phone and put it into the circuit. To my amazement after only 30 mins, and at only about 1 watt of input power my phones battery went from 3.5 volts to 4.2 volts (a full charge) and was room temperature if not a little colder. My normal charger takes about 2 hours to fully charge the phone and it is boiling hot afterwords. But there was a downside to this, upon putting the battery back into the phone, it informed me that the battery I was using was a non supported battery, which means I’m going to Verizon tomorrow and complaining

gmeat:

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1501-what-wire-gauge-radiant-energy-likes-most.html

Hi Elias,



Thx for the reply,I'm not sure what you mean by your comment regarding #20 wire.Are you saying that it does'nt work that well for you.Also,What is the capability of your SSG with regard to charging a secondary battery.My particular setup seems to get a max of 13 volts on a secondary battery using my original coil as compared to about 12.5 with the #18 guage wire.I'm kinda disapointed with the #18 wire.Also I have noticed recently that my batteries dont accept a normal charger anymore and I'm not sure what to make of this, But I do have a 6 battery arrangement that I keep swapping batteries in and out but I'm not sure how far this will take me lol.





-Gary A

lamare:

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch-133.html

And if this is what really happens, then you should see changes in the performance of your batteries, until the point where a stable "Bedini" dielectric layer has been formed. And at that point, the performanc of your batteries with normal chargers should also be much less. Bedini says that "conditioned" batteries can hardly be charged with a normal charger.

John Bedini himself:

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch-23.html

It's ok to not run the load, what you may find is after the battery receives the back charge for a few hours, if you make the cap's smaller you can charge at a high frequency then you will find the radiant on top of the wire, think Tesla here about his shunts with the light bulbs. Then take the battery out and try to charge with a normal charger, it may be very hard to charge. Peter and I found a change taking place in the battery. Tom Bearden found out the hard way about when he made an appointment to see Bill's charger, the battery was dead but kept working the machine. However the transistors were Old hokey puck transistors Germanium PNP's I just made the circuit using NPN's because I could not find the 108's. The machine produces a Radiant current on the wires at high frequency it can be used to get power from, Tesla, Tesla.

John B

www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch-17.html

The three battery system is just a test to show the switching. So here see if you can get this circuit to work and charge it's own battery. The load must be chosen correctly so the battery is in a state of constant charge. The famous Bill and Ray Scalar charger. Charger is the one I talked about on KABC with Bill Jenkins. Drive it with a flip flop oscillator you can control the speed. Give this a try MR. Jones, I have one of these running at work. If your not careful it will destroy your battery. Also if you take this battery out of the system it will be real hard to charge with a normal charger.

So, this is a real problem for radiant charging. You can solve this with cap, but I found partial FWBR work better for me.





Here is the overall conclusion of mine:









Single diode:

- battery become capacitor

- voltage without output current

- small starting output current

- high standby voltage

- broken batter



cap in parallel:

- kill the radiant / convert to normal electricity

- battery would still get heated up



my solution:

- battery stays cool

- battery can still be charged with normal charger







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[ronym]

untuk sementara saya pakai terus "half wave" charger 18v 1A... bang sucahyo
mengingat dulu pakai radiant charger, efeknya kelihatannya sama
baterai mudah drop saat di load dengan arus cukup besar ( misal 1 A )
jadi seakan-akan listrik yang tersimpan di batere tidak banyak
.
charger "half wave" nampaknya karakternya sama seperti charger normal
hanya saja tetep dingin dan tidak mudah membuat batere melembung
.
he... he... kebetulan bbrp hari yang lalu ane nge cas batt 6v 4Ah 4 biji ane seri + paralel jadi setara 12v 8AH
ane lupa matikan charger saat mau tidur
jadilah charger ini ngecas batere semaleman
.
ane baru inget pagi harinya saat lihat charger masih nancep dan on
cepet-cepet charger ane matikan, kabel dicopot dari batere
.
alhamdulillah... setelah ane lihat ternyata selamet...
batere nggak melembung
en dipegang... juga nggak panas sama sekali
.
ane heran...
padahal charger udah dipanjer semaleman
dan pastinya batere terjadi overcharging
coz berdasar perhitungan sebetulnya di cas 3-4 jam aja udah cukup ( setrum di batere masih 70-80% )

[Sucahyo]

Apakah voltase batre di monitor?

Menurut video diatas, kalau pakai arus konvensonal ngechargenya harusnya sampai batre bertegangan 15.4V. Kalau nggak gitu tersulfasi katanya.

Batre tidak panas mungkin karena arus yang dihasilkan masih termasuk kecil. Kalau tidak salah speed charging itu butuh arus yang sama dengan kapasitas. kalau 8 Ah ya 8 Amper ngechargenya.

[romy]

im interested in simple bedini sg free energy however all testings ive done were run down the battery ... i need help

[Sucahyo]

Feb 26, 2016 13:01:14 GMT 7 romy said:

im interested in simple bedini sg free energy however all testings ive done were run down the battery ... i need help

Sorry for the late reply. Please incorporate the above trick to your SG. What is more important is you have to have control of how long the coils will be powered. If it powered too long then it waste power.

[darlanepta]

rumayan, bisa libih menambah pengetahuan.... sayang masih bhs ing, masih kurang begitu paham....

[Sucahyo]

Jun 20, 2016 10:34:45 GMT 7 darlanepta said:

rumayan, bisa libih menambah pengetahuan.... sayang masih bhs ing, masih kurang begitu paham....

Intinya charger dengan teknik radiant / menggunakan sisa listrik dari kumparan sifatnya beda dan butuh perlakuan khusus. Tidak bisa langsung dipakai dan harus dikombinasikan dengan listrik biasa agar bisa dapat pengisian batre yang jauh lebih cepat dan tidak merusak batre.

[chitato]

tolong di terjemahkan dong gan aku tidak mengerti artinya

[Sucahyo]

Jul 18, 2016 9:51:44 GMT 7 chitato said:

tolong di terjemahkan dong gan aku tidak mengerti artinya

Baterai bisa rusak karena listrik radiant. Listrik radiant itu membuat aki berbuih / menghasilkan gelembung lebih banyak / lebih cepat daripada saat menggunakan listrik biasa.    

Normalnya proses munculnya gelembung terjadi bila baterai mendekati kondisi penuh. Saat baterai sudah penuh dan masih dicharge maka gelembung terjadi paling banyak. Listrik radiant membuat gelembung muncul lebih awal, walau baterai belum mendekati penuh.

Listrik radiant sepertinya mempunyai efek kimia yang lebih kuat. Namun sayangnya efek kimia yang lebih kuat ini juga membuat baterai bisa berkurang kapasitasnya bila charging dilakukan dengan 100% radiant. 

Oleh karena itu solusinya adalah dengan melakukan charging bergantian / selang seling antara listrik radiant dan listrik normal. 

Keunggulan charging radiant adalah charging yang jauh lebih cepat dan tidak bikin panas. Dengan melakukan charging listrik radiant selang seling dengan listrik normal, charging bisa jauh lebih cepat (6 kali lebih cepat) dan tidak bikin batre panas tanpa membuat baterai rusak. Baterai juga akan tetap bisa di charging dengan charger biasa.