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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 11, 2017 8:49:52 GMT 7
Charging NiCd of razor: it stay cold up to 1.39 V, I first used a 12 v battery as input power, the coil has a Fe Si cold rolled multilayer sheet as core, (transformer from an old B/W tv ) frequency 1 Khz. 85 minutes of charging I used the razor 7 times down to 1,206 V During the second charge I used a toroid, frequency Khz 5.91 up to 1,39 V , charging time 17 minutes I used the razor 3 times down to 1,176 V. The stingo I connected to solar panell without condenser works, the Bedini wheel on the contrary need condensers. Thank you Suchayo Thanks for sharing It is interesting that higher frequency actually made charging time faster. I think you should measure the output current too. maximum similar to battery capacity. I suggest adding capacitor because stingo require huge power. Would the output power of stingo decrease without condenser? I think it is best to use stingo in paralel with DC charging when the solar panel produce enough voltage. btw, stingo output power may increase if you add ground. but do not use earth ground. use few galons of water in plastic container. Our body can become the ground too, try to touch any of the output terminal and see if touching will increase output power.
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Post by moflint on Feb 12, 2017 3:54:51 GMT 7
Sucahyo Hi,
I am excited about finding this circuit, and thank you for generously sharing this. I have a few of questions:
- Am I correct to say that in the case of the battery 7ah you mean 2.5A draw from a 12v source, which would output 12v at about 1.25A into the charging battery, and take about 15 hours to charge?
- Am I correct to say the resonant frequency of the circuit must be found for each different load?
- Can the transistor heating issues be solved by using higher amperage transistors?
- And finally, you say there is better efficiency with 2 stingo combo, is there even more efficiency by adding more stingos in combination, or to get 10amps charging would you use two coil stingos x 5?
Thank you, Mark
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 14, 2017 9:39:55 GMT 7
Sucahyo Hi, I am excited about finding this circuit, and thank you for generously sharing this. I have a few of questions: - Am I correct to say that in the case of the battery 7ah you mean 2.5A draw from a 12v source, which would output 12v at about 1.25A into the charging battery, and take about 15 hours to charge? - Am I correct to say the resonant frequency of the circuit must be found for each different load? - Can the transistor heating issues be solved by using higher amperage transistors? - And finally, you say there is better efficiency with 2 stingo combo, is there even more efficiency by adding more stingos in combination, or to get 10amps charging would you use two coil stingos x 5? Thank you, Mark Yes, charging 12V battery with 12V source usually have output current half of input current. But this is when measured with digital or analog amp meter. I think this is the average. The maximum can be much higher than that so the source must be capable of supplying current much higher too. I am not sure if it can be called resonant. Different configuration (different load, different coil) need different resistor value to be more efficient. Ideally all the resistor should be variable resistor. What kill the transistor is not the heat but the spike. Stingo utilize flyback voltage so stingo put tremendous load to transistor. Even 25 Amp transistor will die in seconds if stingo run without load, even with just 1 amp input. Dampening the flyback will make the transistor cooler, but this will reduce the radiant effect. To reduce the heat, the best way is to reduce stingo power. To make it run maksimum at 1 amp current at 12V. I think it is not possible to make 5 amp stingo. I found that 1+1 > 2. The efficiency of combined stingo is better than single stingo. Keep in mind that what shown on amp meter is the average. we must make sure that the transistor and diode are capable of handling the maximum current, not the average. I do wonder if we can make efficient water heater with stingo.
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Post by moflint on Feb 14, 2017 22:45:59 GMT 7
Thank you Sucahyo,
I will order the transistors today. I have a 12v 2amp transformer with a winding of about 1ohm of approx awg23 wire, so maybe this will work. I will short the other winding. But is toroid coil much superior?
Yes! This is much needed in the world for space heating, washing, cooking. I think some know the secrets of boiling water using geometry (sphere?) and audio - I wish I did! I do think stingo circuit will make good HH2 because of sharp spikes. I hope to do this experiment also.
Best regards, Mark
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Post by moflint on Feb 15, 2017 1:22:12 GMT 7
Hi Sucahyo,
Just to be clear - is that a 1 microFarad, 3000 vdc capacitor?
Thanks, Mark
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 16, 2017 8:51:01 GMT 7
Thank you Sucahyo, I will order the transistors today. I have a 12v 2amp transformer with a winding of about 1ohm of approx awg23 wire, so maybe this will work. I will short the other winding. But is toroid coil much superior? Yes! This is much needed in the world for space heating, washing, cooking. I think some know the secrets of boiling water using geometry (sphere?) and audio - I wish I did! I do think stingo circuit will make good HH2 because of sharp spikes. I hope to do this experiment also. Best regards, Mark Yes, toroid is superior because ferrit has higher resonant frequency. Yes, stingo is good for electrolysis. Stingo make battery gassing happen sooner than normal charger so overcharging should be avoided more, but that is good for HHO generator. for electrolysis I would suggest this version. To use spike to drive the transistor directly. Unfortunately, I have no time to develop it. But it is definitely an improvement over the normal one. Attachments:
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 16, 2017 8:57:02 GMT 7
Hi Sucahyo, Just to be clear - is that a 1 microFarad, 3000 vdc capacitor? Thanks, Mark The most important part is it must be has high voltage rating above 1000V. Because stingo can produce more than 1000V at primary. If it is used to make spark, it will be very intense. I destroy a monitor that is about 1 meter in distance of the spark. The monitor is fine when experimenting spark from secondary. It seems the spark from primary is much pure than the spark from secondary. Spark from secondary seems closer to normal spark.
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Post by moflint on Feb 17, 2017 3:14:04 GMT 7
Hi Sucahyo, Just to be clear - is that a 1 microFarad, 3000 vdc capacitor? Thanks, Mark The most important part is it must be has high voltage rating above 1000V. Because stingo can produce more than 1000V at primary. If it is used to make spark, it will be very intense. I destroy a monitor that is about 1 meter in distance of the spark. The monitor is fine when experimenting spark from secondary. It seems the spark from primary is much pure than the spark from secondary. Spark from secondary seems closer to normal spark. So here you describe using a transformer with two windings? Is this the circuit you posted above with two windings for HHO? Sorry if I misunderstand you. Also I'm not familiar with the symbol in the bottom part of the circuit that looks like a bulb? It is very interesting the spark is intense, I can think of several uses for that. My parts have arrived - but still looking for a capacitor at the right price :-)
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 17, 2017 9:58:56 GMT 7
The most important part is it must be has high voltage rating above 1000V. Because stingo can produce more than 1000V at primary. If it is used to make spark, it will be very intense. I destroy a monitor that is about 1 meter in distance of the spark. The monitor is fine when experimenting spark from secondary. It seems the spark from primary is much pure than the spark from secondary. Spark from secondary seems closer to normal spark. So here you describe using a transformer with two windings? Is this the circuit you posted above with two windings for HHO? Sorry if I misunderstand you. Also I'm not familiar with the symbol in the bottom part of the circuit that looks like a bulb? It is very interesting the spark is intense, I can think of several uses for that. My parts have arrived - but still looking for a capacitor at the right price :-) Ok . No, stingo should work better with coil with one winding. I mention primary and secondary because some people use stingo as high voltage driver. Stingo produce strong HV too. Normally spark can only happen on the secondary, but with stingo spark can also happen at the primary. The spark can become serious problem if we only need to use the primary. Spark can also happen if the connection is interrupted and then reconnected in the middle of charging. This can destroy any electronic circuit that use the same power source as stingo. So make sure the connection is secure. I do not have a place to experiment that kind of spark so I do not research it. But it should have great potential for experiment that combine spark and low voltage to increase the efficiency of a motor. The part that look like a bulb is signal generator. For example 555 timer.
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Post by moflint on Feb 18, 2017 17:33:28 GMT 7
Thank you Sucahyo. Regarding the coils, does it matter whether they are wound CW or CCW, that is, starting left-to-right, or right-to-left toroid winding?
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Post by moflint on Feb 19, 2017 8:51:11 GMT 7
I decided to go ahead and wind my first coil for the double stingo circuit. I was please to get exactly 1ohm first time with no adjustments :-) I will wind the second one tomorrow. I had some old cat5 network cable so I used it. It is awg24 wire and approx 8 or 9 metres. (I am editing here to add exact measurement: the wire length was 23 feet and 8 inches)
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 20, 2017 15:28:52 GMT 7
Thank you Sucahyo. Regarding the coils, does it matter whether they are wound CW or CCW, that is, starting left-to-right, or right-to-left toroid winding? Based on my experiment on cemenite, yes different winding produce different energy. Unfortunately, I do not know which one is needed, maybe both. For health, selenoid should be clockwise moving away from our body. With length is 1.3 times the diameter. Car coil can also produce different health effect I think this would only be important for application for health, weather modification and engine boost. Would influence battery charging or electrolysis, but I don't know which one better. So, if you experience headache or nausea, try to change the geometry, connection or winding direction. Interesting that you can get 1 ohm on the first try . I will look forward for your result . Attachments:
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Post by moflint on Feb 22, 2017 15:58:52 GMT 7
That is interesting information about health issues/benefits - I will take notice. Thank you.
My dual stingo build is nearly complete but other commitments mean it will be a week before I can finish it. I will post some pics and results then.
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Post by gaslan on Feb 23, 2017 1:17:46 GMT 7
The third charge of the two 1.2 V 350ma nicd batteries last only one time. Something went wrong in charging these batteries, have to check it. I then charged them with its charger and the razor is running. Yesterday I charged the 12 v 1,3 amp in 5 ½ hours but I stopped and restarted after changing the coils because it seemed that the toroid or the crt didn’t work well, than with the tv transformer ( silicon sheet core ) I tuned the 500 k pot half way and turned the 10 k (it is the first time because the tip31c went hot and stopped the board sometime ago ) the analog amperometer ( between battery and the board ) from 190 ma went to 210/220 ma, and the frequency dropped some hundred hertz and the battery charged better than before. Input ( from transformer 12 v 2 amp to the board I always measure about 400 ma ) Charging 4 batteries NiMh ( but old one so it isn’t an affordable information ) input 400 ma , output about 380 / 400 ma. Twice I tried a measure with the multimeter and twice the fuse of 1 amp broke, but the display was just showing 200 ma ! Higher frequency seems charging faster, but not sure if the charge has kept more efficiently in the battery. I tried stingo with the solar panel without capacitors ( 2 of 10.000 uF Vdc 63 ) it works. I tried with capacitors and stingo got stuck ( I didn’t burn transistors anyway ) only one third of the surface hit by sun rays. I tried to touch stingo with my fingers and earthed in a glass of water ( probably too small ) but the amperometer didn’t move.
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 24, 2017 12:39:49 GMT 7
That is interesting information about health issues/benefits - I will take notice. Thank you. My dual stingo build is nearly complete but other commitments mean it will be a week before I can finish it. I will post some pics and results then. Yes, radiant can influence health and even weather. I once use stingo as sleeping aid. Here is how to use stingo to increase engine power (thehulleffect method), more limited effect compare to cemenite, this work better only on certain rpm: Stingo as health devide: Attachments:
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 24, 2017 12:49:24 GMT 7
The third charge of the two 1.2 V 350ma nicd batteries last only one time. Something went wrong in charging these batteries, have to check it. I then charged them with its charger and the razor is running. Yesterday I charged the 12 v 1,3 amp in 5 ½ hours but I stopped and restarted after changing the coils because it seemed that the toroid or the crt didn’t work well, than with the tv transformer ( silicon sheet core ) I tuned the 500 k pot half way and turned the 10 k (it is the first time because the tip31c went hot and stopped the board sometime ago ) the analog amperometer ( between battery and the board ) from 190 ma went to 210/220 ma, and the frequency dropped some hundred hertz and the battery charged better than before. Input ( from transformer 12 v 2 amp to the board I always measure about 400 ma ) Charging 4 batteries NiMh ( but old one so it isn’t an affordable information ) input 400 ma , output about 380 / 400 ma. Twice I tried a measure with the multimeter and twice the fuse of 1 amp broke, but the display was just showing 200 ma ! Higher frequency seems charging faster, but not sure if the charge has kept more efficiently in the battery. I tried stingo with the solar panel without capacitors ( 2 of 10.000 uF Vdc 63 ) it works. I tried with capacitors and stingo got stuck ( I didn’t burn transistors anyway ) only one third of the surface hit by sun rays. I tried to touch stingo with my fingers and earthed in a glass of water ( probably too small ) but the amperometer didn’t move. Thanks for sharing. Did you short the tv transformer secondary? Output will be greater if we do not short transformer secondary, but if we run it without load it may produce spark. Yes, stingo is more efficient if we use stingo to charge battery with low impedance. Which is why it is better to charge it in parallel. Yes, stingo produce high amperage output only a brief moment, the meter only measure the average overtime, so what is shown on meter is not the maximum. This is why stingo need power supply that has high current rating, why stingo need diode with high current rating. I think high frequency is more efficient, better output/input ratio. It is strange that stingo work worse with capacitor in the input. thanks for the info. Yes, a glass of water is too small. need at least 25 liters of water or so. Or maybe your output is too high. We can notice ground effect more when using small power.
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Post by gaslan on Feb 24, 2017 23:07:57 GMT 7
Here is the tv transformer, this is the only connection I found working. The two coils are connected with a wire ( white one ) and two wires, one from each coil goes to stingo. About capacitors, at that time I was trying Bedini wheel but no way to let it go with transformer or battery, searching in the net I found the trick, condensers to let it go and went. But I read that a solid state charger didn't need it , the first try seems to confirm it, but tests are needed. But have to install the panel ( 48 w 2,95 amp V 21.63 oper circuit 17.76 working tension ) and see what's going on with this power input for the stingo, I'd like to test one coil stingo with transistor in parallel, I thibk should be tip 31c did you try it ? Yes Charging many small batteries should be better than one and big. Anyway I think tests give the right answers. Great stingo for health, but the coil in drawing is a double wire isn't it ? I mean there is a primary and a secondary ? I've been using oscillating circuits for more than 10 years, they work well rising cell frequency, I'll try health stingo.
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Post by moflint on Feb 27, 2017 17:40:00 GMT 7
That is interesting information about health issues/benefits - I will take notice. Thank you. My dual stingo build is nearly complete but other commitments mean it will be a week before I can finish it. I will post some pics and results then. Yes, radiant can influence health and even weather. I once use stingo as sleeping aid. Here is how to use stingo to increase engine power (thehulleffect method), more limited effect compare to cemenite, this work better only on certain rpm: Stingo as health devide: This is great info! When you say "more limited effect compare to cemenite..." do you mean that cemenite has a beneficial effect on running an ICE engine? The stingo circuit has more applications than I thought. I will be back to my build this week so will post some details soon. Thank you Sucahyo.
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 27, 2017 20:20:06 GMT 7
Yes, radiant can influence health and even weather. I once use stingo as sleeping aid. Here is how to use stingo to increase engine power (thehulleffect method), more limited effect compare to cemenite, this work better only on certain rpm: Stingo as health devide: This is great info! When you say "more limited effect compare to cemenite..." do you mean that cemenite has a beneficial effect on running an ICE engine? The stingo circuit has more applications than I thought. I will be back to my build this week so will post some details soon. Thank you Sucahyo. ok. Cemenite is multi purpose device. Cemenite work for the whole rpm and thehulleffect only work at certain rpm.
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Post by Sucahyo on Feb 27, 2017 20:28:15 GMT 7
Here is the tv transformer, this is the only connection I found working. The two coils are connected with a wire ( white one ) and two wires, one from each coil goes to stingo. About capacitors, at that time I was trying Bedini wheel but no way to let it go with transformer or battery, searching in the net I found the trick, condensers to let it go and went. But I read that a solid state charger didn't need it , the first try seems to confirm it, but tests are needed. But have to install the panel ( 48 w 2,95 amp V 21.63 oper circuit 17.76 working tension ) and see what's going on with this power input for the stingo, I'd like to test one coil stingo with transistor in parallel, I thibk should be tip 31c did you try it ? Yes Charging many small batteries should be better than one and big. Anyway I think tests give the right answers. Great stingo for health, but the coil in drawing is a double wire isn't it ? I mean there is a primary and a secondary ? I've been using oscillating circuits for more than 10 years, they work well rising cell frequency, I'll try health stingo. Ok. I am curious on how you add the capacitor. The purpose of the input capacitor is to act as high current provider since battery or solar panel may not be able to supply as much. I think TV transformer have rectified secondary. The rectifier will reduce high voltage output. I fail to make one stingo work with two transistor. Two coil share single core won't make two stingo. I once use two transistor like this: Stingo for health use single wire. It use toroid coil. When I use 12V/220V transformer, I will short the 220V part.
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