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Post by moflint on Apr 1, 2017 22:04:17 GMT 7
This can be confusing topic This is truth! Lol. Thank you so much for your insights and experience. I enjoy reading your posts and gain a lot of info. There is a lot to know about energy, and few people who really know, and even fewer of them that are willing to share what they know. Yesterday I unplugged the circuit from the load and forgot to re-connect. When I switched "on" I blew all 4 transistor, plus the heatsink fan. One transistor exploded with a load bang and bits flew off! I am now without my circuit for 3-4 days till I get new parts delivered :-( I wonder if a thermal sensor could be employed to avoid this situation.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 2, 2017 11:09:09 GMT 7
This can be confusing topic This is truth! Lol. Thank you so much for your insights and experience. I enjoy reading your posts and gain a lot of info. There is a lot to know about energy, and few people who really know, and even fewer of them that are willing to share what they know. Yesterday I unplugged the circuit from the load and forgot to re-connect. When I switched "on" I blew all 4 transistor, plus the heatsink fan. One transistor exploded with a load bang and bits flew off! I am now without my circuit for 3-4 days till I get new parts delivered :-( I wonder if a thermal sensor could be employed to avoid this situation. That is unfortunate. I wonder why the heatsink fan broken too. I am not sure if thermal sensor can be quick enough. Neon bulb which usually enough in other radiant charger can not prevent this either. I am thinking about zener diode, so when the voltage increase more than zener diode voltage, the output will be shorted by the diode. When stingo output is shorted, then stingo will stop oscillating. But I never have a chance to try this yet. We put the zener diode to the output from negative to positive. So in an normal use, nothing will happen, but when the load is taken out, stingo will stop running because the output is shorted. I am not sure if stingo will have the chance to blew out the diode though. It will be a good thing if the diode become shorted when blowed up. Unlike other radiant circuit, stingo will draw less current when the output have lower resistance. About the male female energy. the greatest progress is when I realize that we can observe the effect of male and female with ice and engine power. Other researcher use physical sense, some use psychic sense, most their research end up becoming research for spiritual / psychic device that do not have influence on physical thing. There are people that invent radiant sensor, but I think they do not measure male and female. The simple use of male and female would be on internal combustion engine, gas stove. We can put female at air conditioner indoor unit to enhance evaporation, make at air condition outdoor unit to enhance condensation. In a car the female device also increase tire grip, increased engine oil lubricity.
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Post by moflint on Apr 4, 2017 6:02:07 GMT 7
That is unfortunate. I wonder why the heatsink fan broken too. The reason is simple: I had the positive of the fan pinned onto the joint of transistor and the source battery power because it was close by. I have now learned my lesson! There is so much to know, and so very interesting. I am learning quickly with the help of generous teachers like you, and Rick Freidrich. The male--female paradigm makes a lot of sense to me. I would like to visit these topics and do the experiments. First I must build my generator, and I am focused :-) I think your zener diode idea will work. I will add one. But I can't say I want to test it on purpose, lol. Many thanks, Mark
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 4, 2017 13:42:40 GMT 7
The reason is simple: I had the positive of the fan pinned onto the joint of transistor and the source battery power because it was close by. I have now learned my lesson! There is so much to know, and so very interesting. I am learning quickly with the help of generous teachers like you, and Rick Freidrich. The male--female paradigm makes a lot of sense to me. I would like to visit these topics and do the experiments. First I must build my generator, and I am focused :-) I think your zener diode idea will work. I will add one. But I can't say I want to test it on purpose, lol. Many thanks, Mark I see. thanks for the information. Ok . I wonder if there are amp rating for zener diode. We should use resistor, but it may influence zener working voltage too.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 4, 2017 13:56:15 GMT 7
Which kind of stingo do you use ? Here is my video when charging a single 1.4 nicad battery, from 1.14V become 1.95V and more after stingo was turned on. 0.67 Amp charging current with one coil. I usually stop charging after it reach 2.35V
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Post by moflint on Apr 7, 2017 22:45:37 GMT 7
...the overall energy of current stingo should be female. The diode next to the transistor bellow is the one that change the energy to female. If we take out the diode, then stingo will behave more male. I know this from people reaction when using stingo as health device Sucahyo, this diode is not part of the diode/cap arrangement that allow both radiant and hot energy to the charging battery. In the past you have posted the attached diagram to show the difference. But you have also said, elsewhere, that the diode/cap arrangement does reduce output efficiency, but that it allows better battery charging as it avoids ruining the battery. If I wanted to test "the usual arrangement" do I just remove the diodes (except the usual flyback diode) and the cap, or do I need to remove the diode that is attached to the transistor as well? When you say THIS diode converts male to female, does it also decrease efficiency? Thank you.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 8, 2017 8:34:12 GMT 7
Sucahyo, this diode is not part of the diode/cap arrangement that allow both radiant and hot energy to the charging battery. In the past you have posted the attached diagram to show the difference. But you have also said, elsewhere, that the diode/cap arrangement does reduce output efficiency, but that it allows better battery charging as it avoids ruining the battery. If I wanted to test "the usual arrangement" do I just remove the diodes (except the usual flyback diode) and the cap, or do I need to remove the diode that is attached to the transistor as well? When you say THIS diode converts male to female, does it also decrease efficiency? Thank you. Not that diode. But this one: Other than good health effect, that diode seems to increase frequency. I am not sure about the change of efficiency, should be very small. For this diode: Yes. the added diode reduce efficiency. I use it because this is safer for the battery. The one with single diode will destroy even a new battery because stingo output is intense. You may destroy the battery even with only one run. For efficiency, here is my previous experiment: Stingo experiment with 1 ohm load, without load consume 440. partial cap isolated FWBR (the one with 4 diode and 1 cap) output current = 120mA, consume 230mA Current efficiency = 52% single diode, charged battery negative connected to source battery positive, output current = 150mA, consume 180mA. Current efficiency = 83% Another experiment: Joule thief experiment with 3V battery load. without load consume = 570mA single diode, charged battery negative connected to source battery positive, output current = 90mA, consume 450mA. (20%) single diode, charged battery negative connected to source battery negative, output current = 190mA, consume 640mA (29%) partial cap isolated FWBR, output current = 80mA, consume 470mA (Ef=17%) Stingo experiment with 3V battery load. single diode, charged battery negative connected to source battery positive, output current = 110mA, consume 220mA (Ef=50%). partial cap isolated FWBR, output current = 100mA, consume 270mA (Ef=37%) Attachments:
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Post by moflint on Apr 8, 2017 20:06:09 GMT 7
Sucahyo, thank you for your clarification and experiment results.
I have built 3 stingos and all work out the same, in round numbers: 440mA input, 180mA output (40%). So I think the exact type of component makes the difference.
I can change the input and output figures by using magnets, or additional transformer coils, but the efficiency percantage does not change much.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 11, 2017 14:13:11 GMT 7
Sucahyo, thank you for your clarification and experiment results. I have built 3 stingos and all work out the same, in round numbers: 440mA input, 180mA output (40%). So I think the exact type of component makes the difference. I can change the input and output figures by using magnets, or additional transformer coils, but the efficiency percantage does not change much. Ok. It is interesting that the efficiency do not change much. thanks for sharing.
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Post by gaslan on Apr 15, 2017 0:07:23 GMT 7
Thank you for the video. I want to change the toroid before starting with a new board and see what will happen. Assuming that stingo should handle about 2 amps, it would be important to know the inductance of toroid , well this is the question of the a guy who is equipped in making transformers and toroids who could make it for me.
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Post by moflint on Apr 15, 2017 2:09:25 GMT 7
Thank you for the video. I want to change the toroid before starting with a new board and see what will happen. Assuming that stingo should handle about 2 amps, it would be important to know the inductance of toroid , well this is the question of the a guy who is equipped in making transformers and toroids who could make it for me. I have found that awg 24 wire, plastic coated like in cat5 ethernet cable, in a length of 24 feet, wound on a 30 to 35mm ferrite will give an dc resistance of between 0.9 and 1.1 ohms. My dual stingo circuit with these coils will draw 700-800 mA. Output is approx 40% of this. If I want to increase the input/output I just put magnets under the toroids at a 90 degree angle. I can increase the performance so that it is drawing over 2 amp and outputting proportionally similar output, ie, in my circuit around 40% in/out efficiency. With magnets I have had it running at 2.25 amp without any issues but you will need a fan on the heatsink and maybe the coils too. The charging rate increases proportionally too. I don't have a scope so I can't say for sure that the spikes increase, but that would be logical. I have also found that if I add a transformer in parallel with the toroid this has the same effect as the magnet, ie, boosts performance. The transformer I use is a 240v--12v transformer and I short out the thick coil and just use the fine wire coil. I have seen somewhere else that Sucahyo said that bigger coils (more resistance) does not necessarily make for better efficiency in this circuit. I would like to hear his opinion on increasing resistance in the coils. I suspect the magnets I add just increase the coil's resistance in order to boost the performance, and in/out efficiency looks the same, but there may be other factors I don't know about.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 15, 2017 7:37:21 GMT 7
Thank you for the video. I want to change the toroid before starting with a new board and see what will happen. Assuming that stingo should handle about 2 amps, it would be important to know the inductance of toroid ok. I think you should operate stingo under 1 amp. Unfortunately I do not have inductance meter. I only measure resistance. I use from 0.5 ohm to 2 ohm. Bedini mention that the coil should have the same internal resistance as the charged battery. This is the reason of impedance matching. I think we can use stingo to figure out the battery internal resistance. We can just measure stingo current consumption and replace the charged battery with 0.3 to 1 ohm resistor, and see which resistor make stingo consume the same current as the charged battery. I have seen somewhere else that Sucahyo said that bigger coils (more resistance) does not necessarily make for better efficiency in this circuit. I would like to hear his opinion on increasing resistance in the coils. I found that transistor efficiency will be worse if we increase the power, so less coil resistance may reduce efficiency. We have to consider the transistor heat because of increased current too. The resistor need to be adjusted to get the best efficiency if we use different coil. So, I think the coil resistance will depend on the transistor capability, mainly heat generation and then efficiency.
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Post by moflint on Apr 17, 2017 0:48:50 GMT 7
Bedini mention that the coil should have the same internal resistance as the charged battery. This is the reason of impedance matching. Perhaps a rheostat could be used to tune the coil with the battery.
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 17, 2017 15:53:40 GMT 7
Bedini mention that the coil should have the same internal resistance as the charged battery. This is the reason of impedance matching. Perhaps a rheostat could be used to tune the coil with the battery. That is a really good idea . I see there is power rheostat with 2.0 total ohms www.ohmite.com/legacy/vishay-angstrohm.pdf
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Post by gaslan on Apr 18, 2017 20:43:41 GMT 7
Thank you for the video. I want to change the toroid before starting with a new board and see what will happen. Assuming that stingo should handle about 2 amps, it would be important to know the inductance of toroid , well this is the question of the a guy who is equipped in making transformers and toroids who could make it for me. I have found that awg 24 wire, plastic coated like in cat5 ethernet cable, in a length of 24 feet, wound on a 30 to 35mm ferrite will give an dc resistance of between 0.9 and 1.1 ohms. My dual stingo circuit with these coils will draw 700-800 mA. Output is approx 40% of this. If I want to increase the input/output I just put magnets under the toroids at a 90 degree angle. I can increase the performance so that it is drawing over 2 amp and outputting proportionally similar output, ie, in my circuit around 40% in/out efficiency. With magnets I have had it running at 2.25 amp without any issues but you will need a fan on the heatsink and maybe the coils too. The charging rate increases proportionally too. I don't have a scope so I can't say for sure that the spikes increase, but that would be logical. I have also found that if I add a transformer in parallel with the toroid this has the same effect as the magnet, ie, boosts performance. The transformer I use is a 240v--12v transformer and I short out the thick coil and just use the fine wire coil. I have seen somewhere else that Sucahyo said that bigger coils (more resistance) does not necessarily make for better efficiency in this circuit. I would like to hear his opinion on increasing resistance in the coils. I suspect the magnets I add just increase the coil's resistance in order to boost the performance, and in/out efficiency looks the same, but there may be other factors I don't know about. Thank you for these interesting data. I had a small ceramic ring ( ferrite ) outer diameter mm. 28 so I made a toroid, with mt 5,6 of plastic coated mm 0,61 copper wire, resistance 1,8 ohm. Just for a test. The output was 600 mA, the frequency was 21 Khz ( higher than ever ) battery tension quickly dropped so I turned it off. The bd241 was super hot and broken, first time. I couldn’ t measure the input from the 12 V 2 Amp transformer. Hot except for heaters is a waste of energy. I think about transistors in parallel to share the current load. What about the big 520 Amp battery did you charge it ?
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Post by gaslan on Apr 18, 2017 20:50:22 GMT 7
Sucahyo Administrator
ok. I think you should operate stingo under 1 amp.
Unfortunately I do not have inductance meter. I only measure resistance. I use from 0.5 ohm to 2 ohm. Bedini mention that the coil should have the same internal resistance as the charged battery. This is the reason of impedance matching.
I think we can use stingo to figure out the battery internal resistance. We can just measure stingo current consumption and replace the charged battery with 0.3 to 1 ohm resistor, and see which resistor make stingo consume the same current as the charged battery.
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Ok I’ll keep this advice for a practical test with the proper board.
Stingo for health Use of electrified electrodes on human skin:
The body areas of current input and output are of the main importance for heart safety.
Perfect balance
Left hand left foot level 1 Left hand right foot level 1 Left hand both feet level 1
Safest
Right hand left foot level 0,8 Right hand right foot level 0,8 Right hand both feet level 0,8 Back left hand level 0,7 Left hand right hand level 0,4 Back right hand level 0,3
Most dangerous Thorax left hand level 1,5 Thorax right hand level 1,5
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Post by Sucahyo on Apr 19, 2017 14:57:07 GMT 7
I think about transistors in parallel to share the current load. I found that transistor in parallel is less efficient. Stingo for health Use of electrified electrodes on human skin: The body areas of current input and output are of the main importance for heart safety. Perfect balance Left hand left foot level 1 Left hand right foot level 1 Left hand both feet level 1 Safest Right hand left foot level 0,8 Right hand right foot level 0,8 Right hand both feet level 0,8 Back left hand level 0,7 Left hand right hand level 0,4 Back right hand level 0,3 Most dangerous Thorax left hand level 1,5 Thorax right hand level 1,5 Sorry I do not understand. What is that number? What do you mean by input output? what is level 1? I do not use rectified output. Rectified output will cause blackmark and produce bad reaction. Stingo zapper is different from hulda clark zapper or other zapper that use 9V battery.
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Post by moflint on Apr 19, 2017 17:49:35 GMT 7
What about the big 520 Amp battery did you charge it ? The battery is not that big 520 cold-cranking Amps is not 520 AH, it means it can delivery 520 amps quickly to crank a starter motor on a vehicle. So it's only about 35AH. I have not problems charging the batteries, but the condition of the batteries is the issue. These are old car batteries that have been thrown away because they have become sulphated. I am hoping that the sharp spike from stingo will break down the sulphation and return battery to good use. Right now I am charging/discharging a 90AH old car battery. It took 5 hours to get a reading of 15v on the battery while pushing 2.25amps at it with a modified dual stingo. Each of the stingo coils has a smaller 0.6 ohm transformer coil (240v - 12v, using only the thinner wire coil and shorting the other) in parallel with the 1ohm toroid, and one of the toroids has an N42 magnet under it. Once the battery reached 15v I took off the smaller transformer coils and bring the charging voltage down to 14.5v. Over the next few hours I trimmed the pots and reduce the amps until finally I am pushing just 300mA and the battery voltage remains at 14.5 for as long as I want. I left it at 14.5 for 7 hours and I am now discharging it with a 2.5amp load. I will continue this process for some days to see if the battery capacity increases.
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Post by moflint on Apr 19, 2017 17:53:09 GMT 7
Thanks for the link. So would I just replace the 50k pot with the power rheostat?
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Post by gaslan on Apr 19, 2017 22:37:52 GMT 7
I think about transistors in parallel to share the current load. I found that transistor in parallel is less efficient. Stingo for health Use of electrified electrodes on human skin: The body areas of current input and output are of the main importance for heart safety. Perfect balance Left hand left foot level 1 Left hand right foot level 1 Left hand both feet level 1 Safest Right hand left foot level 0,8 Right hand right foot level 0,8 Right hand both feet level 0,8 Back left hand level 0,7 Left hand right hand level 0,4 Back right hand level 0,3 Most dangerous Thorax left hand level 1,5 Thorax right hand level 1,5 Sorry I do not understand. What is that number? What do you mean by input output? what is level 1? I do not use rectified output. Rectified output will cause blackmark and produce bad reaction. Stingo zapper is different from hulda clark zapper or other zapper that use 9V battery. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For example hearthquake magnitude scale are numbers that don’t refer to the real measurement of the seismograph but help understanding the bigger the number the strongest the quake power. Here is the same. Usually there are 2 electrodes, positive input and negative output. Level 1 is the border line ,under safe, above danger but should be better to look at the body areas involved. Parameters to be considered when you use electricity on your body - Current intensity - Current path in the body, you have two electrodes positive and negative and the body close the circuit what count is where you put the 2 electrodes the path should avoid heart. - How long last the contact of the electrodes on the skin. - Current frequency, from 10 to 1000 hz the worst effects for the body. AC is more dangerous than DC. but se above the parameters. I like reflexology and I learned from people involved in different technological branches that electricity has to be handled with respect. The proper one can make the difference in cures. I assembled the health stingo Input 4,8 V dc, output 6,0V ac. 600 micro Amp. frequency 12 Khz I’m charging with health stingo a seed on wet cotton wool some hours a day I started yesterday, a second seed without any artificial electrical field. Electrodes are 0,61 copper wires, but should be better a wider contact surface.
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